Talk:Most-wanted Iraqi playing cards

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Does this list really serve any purpose? All names are on U.S. list of most wanted Iraqis. I propose any significant information that is here and not there is transferred, and then this article is made into a redirect. (If anyone cares to transfer the actual card values, be my guest). -- Egil 22:05 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

That the cards exist deserves merit for this separate article. Definitely keep the descriptive paragraphs. Whether the list of card assignments stays or goes is a separate issue. It is trivial, but so what. I can name plenty of trivial articles here. Kingturtle 22:16 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

Hmm, it does seem that there is an awful lot of duplication here. Not necessarily a bad thing, but we'll have to keep the two articles in step, by making sure the names and descriptions agree between the two pages, which will be a lot of work. So I'm tempted to agrre with Egil. Still, I do like the idea of showing which person corresponds to which card, arranged neatly into suits like this, which the simple list doesn't show. So I suppose I'm going to have to support keeping both pages. Hmm. -- Oliver P. 05:08 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

I'm getting tons of spam email asking me if I want to buy these things. Are they being printed and sold on the Internet by anyone with the rights to them? -- Zoe

I haven't seen the spam, but I've seen lots of eBay listings and banner ads. Here's one place that's selling them. Basically it looks like they downloaded the design from CentCom and had them printed up from the same company that printed the cards for the government. On the CentCom website it says, "The cards are not available for sale or distribution," but I think that just means the government itself won't be selling them. Since they've released the design, they're letting anyone else print them up and sell them. -- Minesweeper

I think this page really does serve a purpose. There's been a lot of interest specifically in the card set - witness not only the spam sales of the cards, but the many articles about them (including Time, May 12, 2003). There are issues specific to the cards unrelated to the list of 55 - for example, the weird Hoyle trademark issue. Besides, it's useful to link to it separately - for example, discussions of special playing cards through history are easier if this is a separate document. Dwheeler 02:51 May 9, 2003 (UTC)

Okay, sorry if this is a stupid question, or if it's been explained in one of the articles and I just haven't seen it, but if there are 55 people on the "most wanted" list, and only 52 playing cards, erm... how does that work? -- Oliver P. 02:58 May 9, 2003 (UTC)

Using French Tarot which has 4 Knights added, can solve this problem, because we will have 56 non-trump cards and 22 trump cards. (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Certainly this article serves many purposes. LoveLight (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ace of Spades Picture[edit]

I have a signed Ace of Spades card by Saddam Hussein. I can upload it if anyone thinks it would add value to the article. Aaronwayneodonahue (talk) 06:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pip colors[edit]

Text moved from the Village pump

How come my hearts and diamonds on Most wanted Iraqi playing cards are green instead of red? Kingturtle 22:39 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

You used funny quotes. In HTML tags, just use " or '. --Eloquence 22:47 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
Ah. See, what happened was, I copied the article into Microsoft Word, did a "Replace All" and then copied back to wikipedia. In the process, those little quotation marks got funny. Kingturtle 22:48 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
To prevent this from happening, you want to go to Tools/AutoCorrect/AutoFormat as you type and uncheck the options there. AxelBoldt 23:50 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

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Where were they made?[edit]

I wanted to update US Playing Card Company of Cincinnati as the company who made these cards but this article suggests they were made in Texas. Not that I don't believe them... it's just that I went to the US Playing Card Company in Norwood, Ohio myself and got a pack... Is there a credible source for this information? Oh... wait I get it now. Nevermind, but please clarity? US Playing Card Company only made a commercial version? JoeHenzi 19:50 and 19:53, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Captured cards[edit]

I guess it may be useful to put who has been captured by the US. SYSS Mouse 13:44, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Personality identification playing cards[edit]

Has anyone remarked that the acronym would be "PIP" cards? "Pip" being the term for one of the markings on traditional playing cards.

Current status of the cards[edit]

Hi does anyone know the actual number of captured "cards"? I don't remember reading it in the article thanks! Xaios 14:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think that would be a great addition to this article....I'll see what I can find. -- H·G (words/works) 07:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe we could even put a bloodied cross on the cards whoese identity has been caught a-la TIME Magazine -- Thats what I came here to see.. 08:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adding information[edit]

Could we add the outstanding reward for information/capture? This article is also in need of updating. (talk) 21:23, 01 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) Reply[reply]

Accuracy of original creators of the cards called into question[edit]

A number of articles online show that it was not in fact 4th Psychological Operations Group that created them and was in fact several Soldiers working at the Defense Intelligence Agency. Sample articles are here and here.Tigey (talk) 15:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Most-wanted Iraqi French Tarot playing cards[edit]

If French Tarot cards would be used instead of Bridge cards, then:

  • Tarot Joker=Bridge Joker
  • Tarot Trumps from 1 to 21≈Bridge Joker
  • Tarot King=Bridge Ace as highest card
  • Tarot Queen=Bridge King
  • Tarot Knight=Bridge Queen
  • Tarot Jack=Bridge Jack
  • Tarot 10=Bridge 10
  • Tarot 9=Bridge 9
  • Tarot 8=Bridge 8
  • Tarot 7=Bridge 7
  • Tarot 6=Bridge 6
  • Tarot 5=Bridge 5
  • Tarot 4=Bridge 4
  • Tarot 3=Bridge 3
  • Tarot 2=Bridge 2
  • Tarot 1=Bridge Ace as lowest card

Treating Ace as highest is aberration from French Revolution. Traditionally Ace is lowest card, which was preserved in French Tarot. (talk) 20:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If French Tarot cards would be used instead of Bridge cards, then most wanted numbers would go:

Most-wanted Iraqi French Tarot playing cards
53 49 45 41 37 33 29 25 21 17 13 9 5 1
54 50 46 42 38 34 30 26 22 18 14 10 6 2
55 51 47 43 39 35 31 27 23 19 15 11 7 3
56 52 48 44 40 36 32 28 24 20 16 12 8 4 (talk) 18:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There can even be added cards like: (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When Ace High cards will be added as cards separate from 1 cards, number of cards can be again increased: (talk) 19:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


picture of sealed card deck is required.

this is one type of deck i found:;_ylu=X3oDMTBqMjRpazg1BHBvcwMxMARzZWMDc3IEdnRpZAM-/SIG=1hl1sd367/EXP=1281552112/**http%3a// —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathsculler (talkcontribs) 18:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deathsculler (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Convert list into a table?[edit]

Would any value be added in taking the current list format and reconfiguring it to a table? Headers could be:

  • Card rank and suit
  • Person
  • Title
  • Rank in this list (e.g. Aziz Salih would be #8)
  • Previous ranking (e.g. Aziz Salih had been #17)
  • Fate (if known)

If so, I might give a shot to creating this.—JPatch ( Talk / ctrb ) 15:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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